The tl;dr is on the bottom, you or anyone else don't need to read the entire post. It's summer and it's too hot already
Derrick01 said:
You're stretching to find things to complain about to make your argument look better because you know it's flimsy and you know the 2 things are almost identical and this whole thing is just more SE "bitch eating crackers".
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Not my problem. I buy games I want with the conditions I want. Same for the people that are buying or not buying SMTV on Steam. I'm a customer, not an ATM, and I decide how to spend my money and the reasons for spending my money. Hating a company? Shilling for another company? I don't do this nor here nor on the other place. The only thing I care are the games. My Steam account is public so feel free to see all the SE games I had no problem buying since I sure as sh*t won't bother screenshotting my whole library to prove a point. Maybe the reason I don't buy a specific game is flimsy to you, but I don't care. Just as I don't care why you buy or don't buy games. It's your money
Derrick01 said:
What do the other ff7 games have to do with this? What do future atlus games have to do with the fact that this one took almost 3 years to hit steam?
Well as I said the rest of the FFVII games continue a story that for no reason should have been episodic to begin with, and ask for full price for another 2 stretched to death products whose entire point is to suck dry FFVII fans, but first: what do I care how long a game takes to hit Steam? Do you think I bought Remake at -50% to punish SE for all the deals they took? Who gives a sh*t. The price I paid for Remake is how much I think it's worth it: a 6 hours game stretched into a 50 hours abomination filled with ways to waste your time, and with an incomplete story to boot. I bought many "late" games at full price when they first came to Steam because those games were worth it. Warriors Orochi 3U and Samurai Warriors 4DX from Koei, Megaton Musashi for Level-5, Metal Gear Master Collection for Konami, KH Integrum for SE. Guess what: SMTV is one of those. I never bought the game on Switch, just as I never got the others listed before on other platforms, so what do I care it came out 3 years ago? If I think it's worth 60 bucks it's my choice
Second, as I said in another post
The most important thing in this industry is "the benefit of doubt"
What is the benefit of doubt? Well it can be many things but for me ultimately is the willingness to preorder a game, ergo giving full money to a company without waiting for reviews or launch impressions. The FFVII project is a product that does not have the benefit of doubt for me (and for many others looking at how Rebirth did) so I'm not willing to pay full price for it. Arguably SE does not have the benefit of doubt for me because they have been shown to not actually fix problems with their pc releases even after years (see KH on AMD. not my issue since I don't use AMD but it doesn't inspire confidence). You know who has the benefit of the doubt? Atlus. Their games are patched on time, their games run well (for me), and the most important part I like their games. So as long as they release games I like they will continue to have the benefit of doubt as I part with my money
Derrick01 said:
The price is higher because it's a current gen release, it uses the same pricing structure all other games are using, and considering SMT looks and plays like a ps3 game we should be asking why it's priced the same as so many other more modern games.
And I don't buy 80€ games. I was going to write something along the lines of "not my problem console users love slurping all their overlords give them" but actually, no, they don't like 80 bucks games either since the PS5 has the lowest software sales to hardware sales ration of the entire PS line. But hey the big boys can continue to try and push the 80 bucks price point as me (and many others) will continue to not buy them. I don't care FFVII looks truly next gen, and I don't care SMTV looks like a PS3 game. For me SMTV is worth the asking price for the reasons I highlighted above and in the previous post, while Remake and Rebirth aren't (for the reasons I highlighted above and in the previous post)
Derrick01 said:
Also you go on about languages supported...does the game even have more than a minimal amount of VA? These types of games rarely do, meanwhile FF7R is entirely voiced down to every NPC. I know that many not mean anything to you since it's not in italian but that kind of effort helps justify a full retail price more than SMT does.
Ah, good that you answered yourself. A game is fully voiced in english down to every single NPC helps justify the price for english users. Perfect. And I can understand english well enough to write, read or understand what I see and hear, at least on an acceptable level . Here's my problem which goes back to what I wrote above and in the previous post about "price and worth": SE wants 80 bucks for their games, they want to be part of the bigger boys. Now let's look at the actual bigger boys: Microsoft? The vast majority of their dubbed games are also dubbed in many languages including italian (and this includes games that no one would have fully dubbed like Hi-Fi Rush, Redfall, Ghostwire Tokyo, As Dusk Falls, Age of Empires). Some of these games have lots of voice lines, despite this they're not 80 bucks. Sony? Horizon, tLou, GoT, Death Stranding, even their GaaS titles like Helldivers (and the upcoming Concord) have full italian dubs. Some of these games have lots of voice acting but currently none of their games on Steam costs more than 60 bucks. Warner Bros? Again most of their games are dubbed in italian (even GaaS like Multiversus or Suicide Squad), and even then the games don't cost more than 70 bucks. EA? Ubisoft? Same as above. Now I do agree I don't know how much do these games cost on consoles but from looking at their Steam publisher pages, the amount of 80€ games is strangely limited despite supporting so many dubs. In fact I don't see this so called "current-gen price point" since most new releases are, at most, 70 bucks
So why should SE be the exception? You want 80 bucks for your game? Then show me the italian dub. After all other big companies do it despite not asking for 80€. If I were to buy Rebirth for that price I would do a disservice to other companies that offer me more for less money. SE wants to ask the big boy money but their efforts are comparable to the middle boys like, you guessed, Atlus. Atlus (or Sega in general) doesn't have italian dubs for any of their games, well they also don't ask for 80€. Capcom also doesn't asks for 80€ (and some of their games do have italian dubs, like RE, or MHW) but I don't want to count them because they obviously make way more money thanks to all the dlcs they do. Bamco doesn't asks for 80€, hell most of their games don't even have an english dub (but they still translate the games in italian)
TLDR I don't care a game is made by a company or another, and I don't care when a game actually releases on Steam. I buy games full price on Steam because of my reasons and mine alone, and I don't care how others see them. SMTV for me and everyone else who bought it is worth the 60€ it asks despite being 3 years late because in the end it doesn't matter. FFVII Remake (or Rebirth) is not worth the full price for me (and everyone else who skipped it) even if it where to release day 1 on Steam. Maybe I'm just in the mood for a turn based dungeon crawler instead of an open world action rpg. No one has the right to question me about this choice
This discussions reminds me of the whole "it's just another launcher". Well guess what, even if it's just another launcher it is my god given right if I don't want to use the EGS. And it is my god given right if I don't want to give SE my money for Rebirth
